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03 Sep 2011 | Police are targeting van and tow vehicle weights with hefty consequences, warns Tony Allsop.

A POLICE OFFICER revealed to us last year that there was going to be a blitz on overloaded tow vehicles and caravans.

Now that police have access to data on vehicle manufacturers’ specifications regarding towing and ball weights and the ATMs of many caravan models, instead of checking heavy trucks, the emphasis is reportedly shifting to caravans.

Many people do not seem to realise that loading the tow vehicle decreases the amount it can legally tow. Although we haven't been stopped, we have spoken to drivers who were pulled over in heavy truck bays near Elliot, NT, and Longreach and Maryborough in Qld. Both vehicle and caravan were weighed, including ball weight, and any vehicle or caravan that was overloaded was put off the road immediately.


ONE PERSON WE spoke to had been towing his large ensuite caravan with a Holden Commodore. The van was found to be over the weight he could legally tow, and he was no longer allowed to move his van with the car. He tried to trade in his car at nearby Longreach, but could not get what he considered a fair price, so put his car on road transport back to Victoria and bought an old Nissan Patrol to tow his van.

We have seen a large number of rigs where people have added a heavy tool box, an extra spare wheel, or even a motorbike on the A-frame. This changes the whole picture of the manufacturer's specifications.

Be warned, police could be in any town. If in doubt, put your vehicle and van on a public weighbridge. Knowing your rig is compliant could save you a lot of inconvenience, and it also improves your safety.

Have you been pulled over this year? Share your story.

WORDS AND PICS Tony and Denyse Allsop


Comments (42)
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
The load capacity for an 87 viscount was 200 kilo, so stop whinging.
Start blaming the car manufacturers and not van salesman, who have no legal capacity to enforce anything.

And then blame yourselves for being greedy and wanting everything except the blame.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
It is about time this is going to be addressed by Police. Some of the huge vans being towed around by some of these 3 litre 4 cylinder diesel twin cab utes is unbelievable. Some of the blame should be sheeted home to the caravan sales yards/manufacturers . They should be required to inform clients of the type of vehicle that would be required to tow the van they are interested in including ample safety margin with the tow vehicle loaded.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
I think that in the interests of safety and RV user education thatall truck cheking stations should offer a free no consequences evaluation of your setup. weigh the van, towall weight and vehicle weight and advise the driver if changes are needed. KFT
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Re the Apia Ad, the Kia Sorento 07/08 model has a braked tow capacity of 2800kg/280kg ball weight.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Hi Trev
If you google weighbridges melbourne, you will find a list, but here are a few in your general area.
NUPLEX INDUSTRIES (AUST)
P/L
HERCULES CHEMICALS
AUSTRALIA
1612-1638 CENTRE RD SPRINGVALE 03 9550 5600
PENINSULA WOODHEATING
AND GARDEN SUPPLIES P/L
120 NEPEAN HWY DROMANA 03 5987 2753
RIDLEY AGRIPRODUCTS P/L RIDLEY AGRI PRODUCTS
DANDENONG
5 BRDLAND ST DANDENONG 03 9791 3701
W THOMSON & SONS P/L W THOMSON & SONS P/L 10 MARGARET ST OAKLEIGH SOUTH 03 9544 7022
Good luck
Richard
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
I live in vic(hampton) have tried to find weighbridges could anyone out there pass on some info thanks Trev
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
To the comment on ball weight of 200kg: Please do not start putting more weight on back of van. This will cause unbalance and possible swaying. More weight on front rather than rear. @00kg on ball is not a lot with a 2,500 ATM. Weight should be 10-15% of this on your ball.
Ask Phillip Lord for advice in his column.
Tony Allsop.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
We have a vehicle with tow capacity of 2500 and ball weight of 200kg. Were looking at Van where ball weight quoted at 200kg. Sales said they would shift battery back over axles and consider putting water tank on rear bumper. Problem is we are in no mans land until we get it then we find out how much we can put under the bed and in the boot on the front. Where does one get impartial advice re this.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Is there a site with all the definitive answers?
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Now regarding weights -think aboutn the amount of inflammable carried on the rear of caravans which is the impact zone. When I talked to people about this issue it doesnt seem to matter - water is the only liquid you can legally carry on the back of the van - yours truly Reg
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Isn't it the Dept of Transport that does the weighing of vehicles in Qld... Not the Police? I saw the Dept of Transport officers pulling over vehicles on the Bruce Hwy in Cardwell about 2 months ago. Didn't see them pull over one caravan though.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
have anybody heard anymore about the blitz on overweight vans
Brian
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Geez this all this is to confusing.Im thinking about a buying a van to be towed with my 2003 VY Commodore sedan with a 1200 tow bar.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Your tare weight is whay the van weighs when it comes off the production Once you start adding water gas annexe maybe a battery food clothing etc etc your tare weight is thrown out the window To me its the persons responsibilty to check towing weight making sure it does not exceed the ATM and also the vehicles tow capicity Also youball weight will change depending on how you load your van
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
So, despite a large number of replies, it seems that nobody has actually been pulled over for a check. Maybe these checks are an urban myth and a topic for Mythbusters.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
As a trailer manufacturer in Victoria I was obliged to provide a weighbridge certificate with every unit sold & also a downward coupling weight on the draw bar. The only thing that could then go wrong was the loading by the user. We find that people ignore the recommended weight & go by what will fit in the available space. It is a real problem with so many on the road that have only been driving a small sedan to & fro the office for 40yrs. We are of the belief that all prospective towers should possess a permit which certifies they have completed a theoretical & practical safety course before purchasing a van.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
re the comment regarding licences and combined weight over 4.5t. the 4.5t rating on a class C licence is for the vehicle only, not the combined wieght with the van on. It is possible to legally tow with a combined weight of 6 or 7t on a car licence. Better licence conditions are required Peter
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
re the comment regarding licences and combined weight over 4.5t. the 4.5t rating on a class C licence is for the vehicle only, not the combined wieght with the van on. It is possible to legally tow with a combined weight of 6 or 7t on a car licence. Better licence conditions are required Peter
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
SOME OF THE 5TH WHEEler OWNERS WILL BE WHINGING-as some of them are not legal-overweight-small tow vehicles-some are registered in Victoria where they do not have to have a yearly inspection like NSW-so until a State Coroner is involved in a tragic accident nothing really will happen!
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Caravan World. Why not name and shamew the manufacturers/retailers.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
This is long over due and they should be hitting APIA for their ad of a caravan that is to heavy for the 4WD towing it
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
To Rowan Berry (and others)
If you check your vehicle handbook it should explain under the towing section, re Gross Combination Mass. (GCM)
The section should explain about the total laden weight of vehicle and trailer and to not exceed this as it could lead to loss of warranty and insurance.
As an example, my Ford Territory can only tow 2000kg if there are seven occupants and no luggage against 2300kg with five occupants.
Tony Allsop.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Lets hope they don't start checking tow ball heights as I believe most vans with 15" wheels and a riser under the chassis are above the 460mm to the centre of the tow ball. This only applies to a 50mm tow ball.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
If the VIN palt is incorrect you have to weight the van in cirtfied weightbridge and contact the manufactury and send the weight ticket asking for new VIN plat with the correct inf and then take your van to vic road for inspection with both VIN plat fitted to the van
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Sales people have a legal and moral right to tell a potential customer that their vehicle will NOT legally tow the caravan they want to purchase. Unfortunately there are sales people who do not abide by these rules and will tell a customer that a Commodore will tow a heavy caravan - no worries.
Anything to get a sale!
Buyer beware.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
I wonder how helpful the manufacturer would be in this case? Why aren't van manufacturers required to produce a weigh bridge ticket when the van is sold? We are coming to Melbourne to collect a van in 10 days and any questions I have had regarding it's weight have been evaded by the company. Am I within my rights to ask for a weighbridge ticket prior to handing over the money???
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
it is a well known that people living in a van permanently very seldom can meet the weight of 300 or 400kg depending on the axles. this is going to a good cash cow for the government and having lived in caravans for 40 years have met some vanners with shocking stories of the plates on their caravans not being accurate, one was 1000kg understated, when he went back to the dealer not his problem, when he approached the manufacturer was told not their problem in the end he traded his van on a motorhome.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
The police should weigh all of the rigs that head up to Karumba from Victoria each dry season. Full sized fridges, freezers and BBQs, dinghies & outboards all squeezed in or on single axle vans/Patrols.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Have a look at this site and you will get a lot of questions answered
http://caravanersforum.com/index.php
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
So what about van manufacturers who produce vans with ball weights that are to light, thus causing the van to be unbalanced. I had a new van with only 110 kg on the ball, the van loaded was 2500 kg, and guess what; it wagged its tail and rolled over. We are lucky to be alive. The police and transport authorities should also be getting onto the manufacturers to produce stable caravans.
Kenny
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
So what about van manufacturers who produce vans with ball weights that are to light, thus causing the van to be unbalanced. I had a new van with only 110 kg on the ball, the van loaded was 2500 kg, and guess what; it wagged its tail and rolled over. We are lucky to be alive. The police and transport authorities should also be getting onto the manufacturers to produce stable caravans.
Kenny
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
well over due. if you ask me it takes a while to brake safely under good conditions. extra tow ball weight under braking forces the rear of the tow vehical down reducing steering and overall control keep the weights in check and save killing another traveler let alone your self and family ...
think about it fellers ..20 years express coach driving .have seen what happens ..take care old ho
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
This is a great article for driver awareness. As a licensed HR Driver and caravan owner, I cringe when i see some vans on the road with the self added extras you mention. Lets face it every bloke loves to add gadgets and accessories. It seems we have lost the reality of what a caravan actually is and tend to enhance everything. Gone from the basic accomodation for a holiday or time away from our usual residence to bigger air conditioning, LCD TV's, bigger beds,microwaves, ovens and bigger fridges or just more accessories. One thing to remember is your licence also dictates the maximum weight of the vehicle you can drive.Your licence should also hopefully endorse some extra instruction once you move above a car licence. This includes the total tow vehicle and the van loaded weight. With the vans of today it is very easy to go over 4.5 tonnes which pushes you up to a LR (light Rigid) licence from a car licence.(C) in NSW. If over 4.5 tonnes and anything happens you are technically driving unlicensed and hence I would imagine have no insurance. Just food for thought.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
New van oct 2009. I had an issue with the incorrect plate fitted - the van was 18'6" ID and they had 17'6" ID. Obviously all the weights were incorrect also. I did the figures from a weighbridge ticket and after threatening to talk with the the Caravan Manufacturers Body, they immediately sent me a new plate and i returned the old one.
I wasn't concerned with my tow vehicle specs but with any possible future claims against my Insurance policy details (which were initially incorrect)!

If you have an issue with the van manufacturer,get the facts and stick to your guns!
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
All I can say is it,s about time the police came down on these people overloading their vehicles it,s nowonder some accidents occur when you see them on the highways they can hardly control some vans and trailers.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
take it to the manufacture
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Take it back to the maker and get them to check it. also there is a digital weighbridge at the servo at Coopers Road Melbourne - off the Hume Highway that will weigh your car - 1 bridge, your tow ball, another bridge and your van on another all the same time and get the digital weighbridge to check what you have and then go to the makers to sort it about.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Hi...That 500 kgs is outrageous!! If it is a known
make of van have you checked the details on the net.
There is a myriad of sites that will give you all the specs. If it is a known brand you will have
every recourse open to you with the manufacturer
having no leg to stand on....regards shorty
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
I would be interested to know the answer as it has happened to a friend of ours
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Hi...I could never read too much regarding...Tare,ATM,GVM and ball weight. Now when I thought I was close to a full understanding i learn that the extra weight in your tow vehicle even
if it remains below the maximum legal for your car
actually reduces the amount you are legal to tow.
Is that a correct understanding? My car has a good
payload of 750 kg however i would never load it to
that extent but four of my svette fishing buddies and gear would put pressure on the GVM. Could you
give us articles on ball weight please. Do you add
it to the vans tare and pay load to get the total
weight you are towing ie the ATM. This must not
exceed the van manufactures limit which is with
regard to the weight on the axle/s. Keep it coming
please guys more the better not only for our safety
but all road users safety. Thankyou. Rowan Berry
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Of course caravan manufactures could provide us with more then the usual carrying capacity of 400kgs which includes water and gas. These weights are a joke of the industry
Manufactures and retailers are all misleading potential owners by reducing caravan weights in an attempt to see the large van to commodore drivers.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
What do you do when you find out that the VIN plate is incorrect and that the van is actually heavier than it is plated by the manufacturer by 500 kgs. what rights do we have - this is in Vic.

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