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25 Feb 2011 | Common sense has led the government to withdraw on bullbar banning legislation, writes bullbar survivor, Phil Lord.

COMMON SENSE IS a term rarely used in our Occupational Health and Safety-obsessed world today, because it is too variable. What is clearly common sense to me could be the most ridiculous thing you have ever heard.

So forgive me if you think I’m crazy to say that overturning the move to ban bullbars is one of the greatest achievements for common sense I have ever seen from an Australian bureaucracy.

Catherine King MP, Parliamentary Secretary for Infrastructure and Transport, decided to stop the Regulation Impact Statement process yesterday, and promised the Government would not consider banning bullbars. She was quoted as saying: "Over recent weeks I have received strong feedback through the consultation process associated with the Regulation Impact Statement (RIS) proposing the adoption of an international standard on pedestrian safety.

"Following careful consideration of the views and concerns put by individuals and stakeholders, I have decided that the proposal is not suitable for Australian conditions and I have directed the Department to withdraw the RIS.”

Of course this puts safety bodies like the Australiasian National Car Assessment Programme (ANCAP) into a spin. If no-one cared much about crash safety anymore, or if governments stopped thinking up new ways to keep us safe, ANCAP would be reduced to conducting offset barrier tests on wheelbarrows.

According to ANCAP’s swift press release issued Friday, ANCAP Chair, Lauchlan McIntosh, commented that "the Government should immediately withdraw its order to terminate the RIS process, and continue its consultation process with industry experts and other interested parties. Only then will it be in a position to implement pedestrian safety initiatives which will save hundreds of lives."

I was a pedestrian road victim in 1988, during a holiday in Paris. Worried about fast moving traffic on the 'wrong' side of a narrow road, I eventually saw a sizable gap and stepped out. Next thing I felt as if the road had been pulled from under me, then I landed on my back, badly winded and in pain. It was actually a young boy on his bicycle that had caught my foot as I stepped out. This is a true story, and I feel like a twit for having done it.

I have also been squashed between two 4WDs. My anterior cruciate had to be screwed back on. Sure, I needed a box or two of tissues and a good cry for a few months, but life goes on. I did not ask for government funding. I did not call myself the Pedestrian Squashed Knee Council and fax out press releases every five minutes about the perils of walking between 4WDs and how Something Should Be Done.

Generally, cars hit pedestrians because pedestrians are not looking where they are going. Or rather, they never seemed to latch onto the lessons kids learn about crossing the road: Look right, look left and look right again. Some pedestrians die on the roads because they are skittled in the CBD while blind drunk.

So let's try to blame someone, anyone, except the perceived victim in the equation. I know – let's blame the bullbar-eqipped 4WDs, they look as if they’d do a lot of damage to the poor pedestrian who harmlessly crossed the road 3m in front of a 4WD doing 50km/h.

Don't think this will be the last you hear of the quest to get rid of bullbars. There are too many industries that thrive on safety, or at least how the concept of safety is marketed.

What did you think of the proposed bullbar ban? Tell us, below.

Phil Lord is Caravan World's tow test guru.
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Comments (70)
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
I laws work as a OH&S manager and travel many roads country and city.
There are too many regulations too comply with now.
Most like the push for bull bars are created by incident chasing lawyers lookingfor a quick buck.
most of whom live in the cities and drive large 4x4s as status symbol.
My bull bar is anessential item for my own safety on long country roads and protection from stupid city excentics.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
Both my wife and I drive Toyotas fitted with bullbars as we live in an area with an abundence of wildlife and stock. We have found that bullbars are necessary to protect our vehicles against cattle and sheep more than 'roos since fitting "Shu Roo" to both vehicles. The damage avoided by bullbars is to the benefit of society as any insurance claims are minimised and the usual injuries suffered by the vehicle's occupantshave been avoided. I believe bullbars are an essential accessory when driving in country areas
Regards Paul & Dot
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
What a lot of rot suggesting bullbars be banned in metropolitan areas! This is suggesting that cars only go in one place or the other. Do I need to buy another car for city driving? If I drive from Birdville to Brisbane, I will pass through a couple of cities so should I tow my city car behind me on a trailer then swap cars over when I get to a city?

Let's ban those pensioner scooters too while we are at it, one of them knocked me over in a shoppng centre the other day!!! How about banning bricks as I dropped one on my toe the same day. The whole thing is rediculous.
Comment by Unknown
posted 1 year ago
My wife and I both have 2005 "compact SUV's". They were NOT fitted with 'roo bars. We realise these are not a "real 4WD", but they are a practical and very common type of vehicle. Like most late model cars (and some larger 4wd wagons), they are lightly built in the front end - plastic bumpers, vulnerable radiators, ancillaries, and engines.

We hit a large (well, large for Tassie) 'roo in my "SUV" at about 90 km/h on a curve on a major highway at 1 a.m. (travelling to work), and destroyed the radiator and most of the front of the car. $5500 damage!. Nearly rolled because we ran off the road when the electrical system was taken out - no headlights.
Scary lesson. Needless to say both our cars NOW have custom-made lightweight (> 15 kg) alloy-tube 'roo bars (about $500 each).

Recently I had an even bigger 'roo jump over a grassy bank, take two "hops", and run right into me travelling at 100 km/h. I didn't even have time to brake. The newly fitted alloy 'roo bar was badly bent, the car itself was not damaged. My insurance company was thrilled not to have to pay out another $5500 to fix my car, and I didn't nearly die.

Seems to me late model cars are too vulnerable to animal-strike and they should be built stronger, OR alloy or composite (FRP) 'roo bars should be recommended for open road travel. Steel is tough, but too heavy. Alloy crumples to take an impact, and plastic flexes to absorb energy. The car stays intact.
My 15 kg wrap-around tube bar doesn't noticeably affect fuel consumption.

By-the-way, SOMEONE should teach those stupid "kangaroos" (particularly those that walk/skate/ride bikes and use mobile phones) how to cross the road safely! The MK1 eyeball is an excellent survival tool.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I am not a 4WD owner but get really annoyed every time I hear comments by the "4WD bashers". There are good drivers & bad drivers in all types of cars & trucks...so stop blaming & start driving carefully. I agree with many of the above comments about pedestrians doing stupid things on the roads & expecting drivers to take all the responsibility. Whatever happened to the idea that people use common sense & be careful when stepping out onto the roads? Take responsibility for your own actions !!!!!! Bullbars save way more lives than they take. I think this country is getting more & more like "Big Brother" every year...soon we will have to have permission to walk out our own front doors. If you walk out in front of a moving vehicle & get hit, it is no-ones fault except your own!!!!!!!!
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Shoo roos don't work mate and neither do the wistle things you see fitted to cars.
What I'd like to ask these idiots who want me to take off my bar when I enter a population area is, "What am I going to do for a bumper while in town?", and "where am I going to mount the driving lights, winch and antenna?"
You people really don't think it through do you?
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Lets take this further, our car insurance co's should offer a free bull bar for any car living west of the Pathetic Highway, if bars were banned the panel shops couldn't keep up. OK now thats out of the way, lets get rid of Harold Screwball & his pedestrian ideas - Brian
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
How big is a bull bar? How long is a piece of string?
Country people demand them; people who drive in the country demand them.
People who drive their kids to school in 4WDs demand them in case they go bush occassonly. Who would the Gov't have to penalise? I suppose we could remove them on entering a built up area in case of us hitting a wayward pedestrian!
Maurie
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
It would be nice if someone came up with an easily demountable bull bar. ie drive across the nularbour to your campsite, then drop the bullbar along with the caravan while staying in-town
NOTE, I am not proposing this for all, it just would be a nice option for some.
Paul (infrequent bush driver)
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
most of these comments just confirm my view of 4WD drivers. might is right - get out of my way pedestrian, cyclist or small car. No one ever said country 4WDs couldn't have bullbars. But how many 4WDs drive 95% of their kms in the city. Get hit by a bullbar at 30kms and you are dead. Get hit by a modern euro car at 30 kms and you will probably walk away. I have a removeable towbar. Why couldn't the same fitting be used for bullbars????
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Its about time a responsible person made comments regarding the ridiculous intervention of Government in persons safety for everyday occurrences. We do not require to be spoon fed and "looked after"by governments or others for what are basic safety issues which need be taught in schools etc. The "look to the Right, look to the left and look to the Right again has worked for generationa and this should be implanted into todays generation and not have governments intervene in everything we do/
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Phil, has anyone determined the percentage of pedestrians injured by car impacts, who have had their injuries exacerbated by bullbars? How many have there been? How do these numbers compare with the numbers of people seriously injured by non-bullbar fitted vehicles driven by inattentive drivers, and/or drivers under the influence of alcohol or drugs?
The Gung Ho bullbar banning safety evangelists need to aim their efforts at the major causes of pedestrian injuries, and I am sure this would not include bullbars.
These banning proponents also need to become aware of the many people whose lives and vehicles have been protected by their bullbars in collisions with kangaroos, cattle, wild pigs and even wombats. Like many evangelists, the road safety people here seem to have adopted a very narrow, blinkered approach to this particular issue, and have not taken the necessary broader, more balanced view. They should get out of their offices, get into the bush, and get a proper perspective.
Regards.
Warren
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Let's have a think about this... Bullbars save more live's than injure or kill people...
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
When you consider these Canberra bureaucrats only leave the city to get in their first class seats to head overseas on holidays (oops `study tours`) and have never been Bush, or had a `Roo or Emu run out in front of them, then it`s no wonder such stupid rules appear. They haven`t the faintest idea.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Our Government agencies seem intent on removing completely any need for individuals to take responsibility for their actions. "Let's make it safer for idiots to walk in front of moving vehicles," they seem to be saying. "Don't take responsibility for your actions, just get hit, get injured, sue someone for compensation and blame the driver because he had the audacity to drive a vehicle with a bull bar." Come on guys. How about the driver's right to protect him/her self from errant animals, car park bandidos who don't give a damn about how or where they drive or what they hit! Why should I endanger my live because some moron thinks they are immune from injury? I hope common sense continues to prevail and the Scruby-doos of this world wake up to the fact that pedestrians, too, have a duty of care.
Chris Richo
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I reckon banning bullbars is a load of bull!!
Cheers,
Peter.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Well done to all who submitted their comments, leading to eventually having this taken off the agenda, at least for now, remain vigilant, they never seem to go away, the only bull which appeared to be in their argument was the “”Bar Bar” speak which emanated from the advisors to our elected representatives, these advisors are far to plentiful and over paid. Rob
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I`m with you on this Phil.We have 2 4wd in our family both with bullbars,and both of us have hits of anamils at night on our roads with no injury.Also I have seen no figures to indicate a large % of road accidents are caused by 4wd`s fitted with bullbars compared to those without.
Cheers,Allan E
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Having extensively read what the EU is doing to th UK and all the stupid rediculous rules they are imposing over there, I am certainly glad that Aus. Govt. has the "common sense"to realise that this great an immense country is not totally riddled with "pedistrians who walk out in front of moving vehicles. J. Turner from Hu pty Doop NT
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
no data !! Ask ANCAP to provide data on how many pedestrians have been involved in collisions with any vehicle over 20kmh. Then ask them how many were 4WD's. They don't have it. These proposed regulations will only change the impact with pedestrians 20kmh and below. The quickest way to reduce pedestrian impacts with vehicles 20kmh and below, is to get the pedestrians to concentrate on what they are doing, and get rid of the damn phones and iPods. No votes in that
Neil
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I must confess that despite being a 4WD and camper trailer owner, I find the tone of Phil's article rather too smug and not a little self congratulatory. Worse it sounds much like the arguments/rationalisations promoted by the gun lobby in America. Both sides of the bull bar debate fail to address the deeper questions. It is equally reasonable that we want to protect pedestrians from preventable harm and that motorists exposed to animal strikes want protection also. The failure of the debate, one side of which is prosecuted by Phil, is that we are not answering important questions like:
Are there alternative designs or construction techniques that might make bullbars less of a threat to pedestrians (and indeed motorists in cars bit side on)?
Are there alternative or complementary technologies existing, or that could be developed, to replace or reduce the scale of bullbars, eg airbags that expand forward from the bumper on impact?
Is it practically acieveable to have demountable bull bars which can be applied for country use when required?

If such questions were given more focus, governments, car manufacturers, researchers and even ANCAP (!) might explore resourcing and developing some meaningful alternative strategies.

Ironically, if bullbars were banned outright such work is more likely to be undertaken, ie as a response to market and social pressure.

Phil, and many others amongst us, would probably be less vulnerable to criticism, if we indicated that we were happy to not have bullbars of the present type if there were safety alternatives. Equally 4WDers would be less vulnerable to the equally valid argument to Phils that if 4WDers are so liitle averse to risk we could do without out nanny bars and not drive in dangerous settings after dusk!

In the mean time I can assure Phil that I will not be removing my vehicle's airbags in protest at the "nanny state"!

Regards,

Mark
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
posted by Ken...We were returning from Perth to the Gold Coast And left a motel on the west side of the Nullabor When a large roo came out of the bush and hit our bullbar. The bar is steel and is bent..However we were able to drive on as all front necessary equipment is still intact...I cannot imagine the recovery costs for a vehicle fully laden, I might add from anywhere on that road..Thank our lucky stars for the bullbar and ARB...Ken
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I spend most of my private and work life on the highways in the north & west of Queensland. I am constantly dodging kangaroos, cows, & large wild pigs on the road, then at the end of the day drive back into the city to go home. It's OK for these people who never venture out of suburbia to criticise bullbars as dangerous, but my fear is to go out on the road without a bullbar. My chances of surviving a collision with any of these animals without a bullbar out front of me are very small. Get out of the city and experience the real Australia for a while & you may see the reality, instead of trying to ban something that actually protects whole families that actually drive on our shocking roads outside of your precious suburbia. Mike
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
My husband and I are here to comment because our lives were saved by the bull bar on our Nissan Patrol when involved in a head on collision with an "out of control Ute". We were travelling at 95 kph and the driver had lot control of his vehicle on a long bend. The bull bar took the impact, was bent at a 90 degree angle and the 3 yr old Patrol was so damaged it was written off. Without the bull bar the damage to the front of the Patrol would have been worse and we would have been trapped. As it was, we survived and luckily so did the other "at fault" driver.

The police officer attending said that if we had been in a smaller vehicle he would have been attending a fatality.

Jenny
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Don't tell me the gov't showed logic- I didnt think they knew the word.
As was stated in teh article, OHS going mad. Why not wrap us all up in cotton wool before leaving the house? maybe we should have an airbag on before going to the toilet- never know we could fall in. give me a break!
Australia and Europe are so different, in many ways, particularly our driving conditions. I dont think there has ever been any deaths from a car running into a croissant. Ok I jest there, but our country roads are alot different to an English countryside and our cars need to be as safe as possible. The days of a piece of steel tube welded onto the front of a car are gone. We have companies that can produce a safe, well engineered product- we dont need to follow the Europeans. Leave Aus designers to make Aus bullbars!
David
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I have also hit a kangaroo if not for the bullbar my vehicle would have been a totla rightoff and we could have been seriously injured or killed. At the time of the accident we were doing 80kph and towing a caravan.
Cheers
John
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
not often do you get to say that the Government has made the right choice.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Hi,
I have lived for years in rural Queensland and have had several "brushes" with animals on the roads, including sheep, cattle, roos, emus, horses and goannas. My bull bar has saved me considerable damage to my vehicles and my family. I'v never had "brushes with pedestrians even though I now live in Brisbane. Still got my bull bar though and it will stay. Ban the bull bar? Never!

Phil
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
So where is the evidence that pedestrians are more likely to die if they are hit with a bull-bar equipped vehicle than if hit by a 2 tonne truck, Ford Fiesta, or clean front Prado? I see lots of hyperbole but no statistics.
Gary L
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I can't agree more. However, I would very much like to see the statistical data relating to the "hundreds of lives" that could be saved. What percentage of fatal accidents actually involve a car with a bullbar and are they are all 4 WD
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Who'da thought that the government would have "common sense" it would be nice if they could apply it to all over.

DaveE
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Having a Bullbar fitted makes sense, its the difference between hitting or sitting on a outback road,200 ks from help, at night alone. I take it that banning Bullbars means from Semi Trailers as well, Cheers David
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I have been in the Smash repair / automotive business for over 30 years and I am yet to see any study of subsatnce that will convince me that bull bars should be banned. Many pedestrians hit on the actual road itself have only themselves to blame.Responsibility should stop with them.If it was the Garbage truck that hit them instead of a vehicle with a bull bar no one would bat an eyelid even though the outcome may be the same. I would like to see credible statistics for all accidents where it was the driver at fault and a bull bar was involved and someone well qualified to do so can catagorically state that the injuries recieved were so much worse for the bull bar being fitted as to the vehicle not being fitted with a bull bar and at the same time comparing the injuries recieved had a different vehicle been involved even without a bullbar. Different profiles of the fronts of vehicles would injure differently. Further to that study I would like to see credible statistics showing the number passengers not injured or injured to a lesser degree whilst travelling in a vehicle fitted with a bull bar that had hit an animal.
There are so many almost imeasurable costs besides the human factor that no one appears to have even touched the surface in researching this fairly and if I thought a bull bar fitted to my car or 4WD would make for a safer enviroment for my family to travel then then I'll fit one. Imagine if the government banned them and investigation into an accident proved that if a bull bar had been fitted someone would have had a greater chance of survival or even survive. I am sure some lawyer would like to pick up on that one.

Spyke.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
PS, Ed, my wife and I are about to join the grey nomads, we have recently purchased our Disco 4 and are researching caravans as we speak. As we explore this amazing country over the next ten years we expect to have a bull bar at the front of our vehicle.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I agree with you phil, the governing body should take two 4wd vehicles out into the country roads,one fitted with bull bar & one not and see which vehicle is worse off in an accident. That is take a "real world" test not a lab test..
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Can't agree with you more Phil, at least on most of it; I mean, we do tend to blame others, or 'something else' all too quickly these days for our mishaps. Thought your comments on OH&S are a bit much though, if people look at the 'Root Cause' instead, it all becomes clearer...mind you, there are plenty of people gaining from it
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I spent 20 years of my life as an Ambo/Paramedic, my wife was also an Ambo here in Adelaide. I/we often picked up pedestrian road victims; most were "P I F " code for "pissed as a fart" but you can't say that in so many words over the radio. It has always seemed to me that no matter who's fault it is; it's the driver. The pedestrian is never responsible for his or her actions.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
You are dead right Phil & Tony these days they don't teach people how to cross the road. When was the last time you saw this on the TV or in schools like it used to be, are they going to ban Buses & Trucks also? as these do more damage than a Car or 4WD With or Without a Bullbar, they should also maybe Teach People Not To Use or MSG While Walking around never mind crossing the road ANCAP should impliment these safety guidlines of Educating People through the media TV, papers, Schools etc. especially for People From Overseas as they are used to just walking out in front of Cars etc. anytime they please & expect everyone to stop & give way to them. YOU CAN'T REALLY FINE A PEDESTRIAN BUT YOU CAN A MOTOR VEHICLE.Cheers WM
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
The "roo bar" in the picture is more like a nudge bar that would'nt take the skin off a rice pud !! The only roo bars that concern me are the ones bristling with fishing rod holders/tubes as they could cause severe damage at low speeds....high speeds well that would'nt matter !!
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Phil is there any figures on how many "Bull Bar Equiped" vehicles, cars or utes, light trucks, 4WD's or 2WD look a likes that actually hit people? And what percentage of these are 4WD's? And why arn't the boffins including light trucks in their quest? They go just as hard these days but don't stop as well as a 4WD.

Regards

Jeff
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
At last some common sense and from a goverment department, wonder will never cease. Having been a four wheel driver for over 45 years both profesionally throught Australia and of course as a civilian, I have had the need for the bullbar on a few ocassions in remote areas, in which they have saved a lot of grief.
However in the metroplitan areas the only problems that I encountered have been when pedestrians have walked out in front of me on green lights, I have been fortunate that I have not hit anyone, but this was not the bull bar fault only the inconsiderate pedestrian.

Regards and keep up the good work

Allan
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
As a member of two 4WD clubs with about 500 members (All of whom have bull bars) there are no recorded cases of pedestrian injuries because of the bull bars. I too have hit roos in the past, once in Nth Qld in a sedan without a bull bar, I was stranded for hours.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Agreed, we do need our bull bar, as per all other comments. Roo's and motor vehicles try to share the road, but roo's and pedestrians are alike, do not look or have time to give away to oncoming vehicles. Pedestrians have right of way on the footpaths, walk ways and cross overs but some are colour blind because many do not care what colour the traffic light shows. We will cross anyway and here comes the hearse. Norman Zis, Domgara.W.A.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Hi Phil,
Maybe the anti Bull Bar lobby believes that eliminating bull bars from 4x4s will eliminate injury if hit by a 4x4.
Accidents happen, and blaming the driver or pedestrian will not help the injured.
Reducing injury is always welcomed, but having your arm caught in a bull bar, or through one of those plastic radiator grills will not make any difference, some-one is still badly injured.
A knee-jerk reaction in blaming bull bars and banning them is just stupid.
However, lets at least make sure bull bar designs are not cookie cutters for pedestrians, eg the 4 poster bed heads on some 4x4s. Lets leave those designs for the road trains and trucks.
Regards
Rudolf
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I support the bull bar ban for city and metropolitan residents. They are the right accessory for people who live and regularly drive in the country. Phil, your injuries would probably have happened whether the 4WD had a bull bar or not as vehicles won't crumble in low impact accidents as they are designed to do for higher speed impacts. Before you blame others for all accidents, have a look at how many deaths and serious injuries have been caused by 4WD's with bull bars and could have been avoided. Haven't you ever seen the damage and carnage caused by a side impact with a 4WD. And your views on organisations (and people?) involved with road safety - I suppose you want to ban speed limits, remove alcohol limits, eliminate the wearing of seat belts etc.
Chris
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Hi I agree with Tony, where we live a four wheel drive with a bull bar is essential, the last roo we hit with our Toyota Landcruiser 80 series still did a lot of damage to the vehicle even with the bullbar, we were without that much needed heavy duty vehicle for two weeks while the bullbar was replaced and the front of the Cruiser put back into the right shape. We are about to hit the open road with our caravan for long trips and we won't take off our bullbar not without a fight.

J & J
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I don't know about anyone else but I am sure that if I were unlucky enough to get ht by a 4X4 I don't think the bull bar would be of immediate concern, Being hit by a 2 tonne truck would not be a good experience...Full Stop!
Bill Hayes
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
My wish is that Scribbly will step out in front of me
Bill QLD
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
My bullbar actually saved a small boys life by bumping him away, according to the police they said otherwise he might have gone under the vehicle. In this case he ran straight out don't look, anyway the young fellow when to hospital and all ok.
Rolly
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
With no bullbar you are more likely to swerve to miss an animal on the road which intern my cause a rollover or a head on crash causing a fatality.
So for me there should be no compromise bullbars all the way for Australian road conditions.
Regards,
Mark.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Finally, a good call by the Government. There should be a review of other stupid unworkable NSW laws as well, that the silent majority have to live with, Paul.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
This is Excellent News. I agree whole heartily with the comments on pedestrian's crossing roads. If I am a pedestrian stepping out on to the road I have a duty of care to myself to ensure its safe to do so, no one else can do that for me, its my responsibility.
Cheers
John
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
If the government wants to put a ban in place then they should ban stupid pedestrians not bullbars
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
The thing with common sense these days is it is not vey common. I work as a safety advisor for a mining company and because these large companies are liable for Joe Blow and some of the stupid mistakes some people make that is why OH&S is so over the top these days. 10 years ago there would not really have been a career choice for someone like myself and now companies are crying out for OH&S professionals. People need to be held accountable for their own actions, if a pedestrian stepped in front of a vehicle and is seriously injured or worse then it is their own fault. I completly understand people needing some kind of compensation to deal with their injuries, but stop talking on your mobile phone, looking on the internet on your iphone or take your mp3 player out of your ears and concentrate on what you are doing at the time.Guns don't kill people it is the person behind the trigger who does.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Where and when has anyone ever sen a bullbar fitted vehicle jump out and mindlessly bash someone to death, more like the porson did not look before walking or the bike rider did not obey the road rules and decided he was in the right (over a vehicle which weighs in the vacinity of two tone) and decided to just change lanes infront of the vehicle hoping the driver was able to stop the vehicle from hitting him/her within about 10 meters. This is a senario I have seen numerous times and even then the rider has the audacity to lash out and try to kick the car< i mean of all the stupid things kicking a moving car that is just asking for your foot to get caught or worse knocking yourself of balance and ending up under the vehicle getting killed, but waight the news will report the stupidity of the pedestrian or the bike rider as being the fault of theperson driving the vehicle fitted with the bullbar as having run over the poor stupid careless pedestrian/ bikerider, why report it this way you ask because it will sell more papers due to the shock factor and allow groups such as the ones who are trying to ban bullbars to get their snotty faces all over the tv news and papers trying to once again portrey the Bullbar as a maniacle murderous device.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I think your bar threw him off
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I do not have a 4WD or drive many kilometres a year, but I do know that living in the country regions pose a problem when wild life and cars "share" the road. The amount of wild life that is killed on the road either does quite a lot of damage to a vehicle without bars or curbs the amount of damage if they are fitted with a bullbar.
When city ites think that pedestrians are at risk, perhaps they should provide a better solution than banning bullbars and educating pedestrians that roads are for cars and not them. To cross the road you need "road safety sense", that is look right, look left, look right again, and if not clear do not cross in front of any vehicle whether they have bullbars or not.
Or they could ban the 4WD city ite who has no intention of ever seeing the outback, and that would pose a challenge to the office sitting dwelling autocrats.
Faye
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Bull bars were developed for a reason - to prevent injury or save the lives of passengers and to minimise vehicle damage in the event of a collision with mobile or immobile objects. There seems to be no end of data relating to the number of 'pedestrians' harmed by these bars but virtually nothing about the number of lives of passengers saved. Typical one-sided argument used by 'do-gooders' to support misguided hobby horses.

Cheers,

Brian
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Sense prevails at last. I don't own a vehicle with a bullbar but I believe we are creating a cotton wool generation. "Nothing is ever my Fault" The more the politicians try to make the perfect environment the more the population is dumbed down which results in the need to legislate more changes. Let people learn to be responsible for themselves and use the god given ability to reason.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
drongo's sitting in their ivory towers making decisions on things they know nothing about, have no experience with and probably care even less.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Instead of penalising the bloke that protects his investment and thus reduces the insurance claims, the money it takes to fight against the bullbars would be better spent on an education program. Then this program could include all areas of driving and licencing. But this is common sense and so-called do-gooders don't want to know about it.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Could you imagine what it is like living in the country where roobars or bull bars are a must, having to dismantle these for every visit to town or city? Having to carry a heavy spanner,( well secured inside vehicle), to dismantle bull bar, then store in vehicle (again well tied down) for that doctor's appoinment.?
I have had bullbars on all of my vehicles and have only once hit and killed a roo which was unfortunate for the roo and caused great distress with my children. Also, many a car has reversed into my bullbar when reversing out of a tight shopping parking area.
Fran.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I too have spent considerable time living and travelling this grest land and if it wasn,t for my bullbar would probably not be here on several occasions Cheers(a different Tony)
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
If moronic pedestrians stopped walking out in front of cars etc not looking where they are going, busy talkign on phones, day dreaming then they would stop being hit by ALL CARS/TRUCKS/BUSES/ TRAINS/ 4X4's etc etc ......

You idiot proof something they build a better idiot !!!!!!!!!!
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I agree Phil.
The obvious benefits of Bull Bars, which by the way, are only placed on trucks to protect them from bulls, as "roo bars" will only lessen the impact of smaller animals.
Who has the contract on the definition anyway?
It might be a city thing!
Just imagine putting bull bars on cars?
I would love to hear from the beaurcrats, who are absorbed in protecting their own jobs, exactly how many people have been injured by roo bars that would not have been injured to the same degree by the vehicle that it was affixed to.
Lawry
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
I think banning bullbars is an infringement on any person owning a vehicle with one attached.I have owned a 4wd for 25yrs.with bullbars on them but I use the vehicle for towing my caravan and trailer.I have hit nothing and have no intentions of starting now.If someone or something steps out in front of me and I don't see it or them and there is a connection how can you blame the bullbar.The persons trying to ban them are either very narrow minded or have had an incident due to their own negligence.
Regards,Trevor.
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
it would seem that the nanny state would have us wrapped in cotton wool all our lives they seem to forget that you cannot legislate against stupidity people have to learn that people do not think for themselves anymore they dont accept responsibility for their actions and try and blame others or machinary
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
Having unavoidably hit a 'roo and sustaining several thousand dollars damage to my vehicle, and only by luck not sustaining any injuries to myself or my passengers, I fitted a bull bar to my vehicle. I have since collided with another 'roo, resulting in a dent in my bull bar but nothing else. The poor roos didn't survive. Both of these collisions occurred within 45 kms of Adelaide. Brian (McLaren Vale, SA)
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
We have a decent bullbar fitted to our Landcruiser 100 series and would be lost without it. Am ALWAYS careful when driving in cities as you say pedestrians DON'T always watch where they're going - having almost got a lady when she stepped between two moving cars even though she was on a pedestrian crossing. Even at the crossing SHE should have stopped to make sure she was safe BUT SHE DIDN'T. Have to admit she gave me an awful fright.I ALWAYS BUT ALWAYS WAIT EVEN ON A CROSSING TO MAKE SURE THE CAR IS GOING TO STOP BEFORE I STEP OUT AND I'M STILL SAFE AND ALIVE.
Regards
Rosemary
Comment by Unknown
posted 2 years ago
How right you are Phil. I travel around 20,000 kms a year towing our caravan and have hit several 'roos at various times. Yes, I have "roo shoos" fitted, but the jury is still out on whether these are effective.
If I did not have a bullbar fitted to my vehicles Denyse and I would have been in big trouble.
The last time I hit a 'roo was near Croydon in north west Qld. He jumped a bank and literally ran into our new Ford Territory. We were doing around 80 kph when we hit him and the Ford fitted bar through him off, killing him.
Fortunately there was no damage to us or our vehicle. We could have had a holed radiator and damage to ourselves if we did not have a bullbar.
Cheers,
Tony.

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